The following are the key takeaways from the discussion between Seth Grossman of Liberty and Prosperity and John DeMasi:
Political Protest Tactics: Grossman traces modern protest tactics back to Vladimir Lenin in 1905, arguing that placing photogenic individuals, such as white women, at the front lines is a calculated move to provoke police responses that garner public sympathy when documented.
Alternative Law Enforcement: He suggests that law enforcement could counter these tactics by avoiding televised confrontations and instead using surveillance to make arrests at night or when cameras are not present.
Constitutional Supremacy: Grossman emphasizes Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, asserting that federal immigration laws are the “supreme law of the land” and that “sanctuary” policies are a form of confederacy that violates officials’ oaths of office.
Economic Inefficiency and Hidden Taxes: Grossman critiques government spending and green energy projects:
Wind Turbines: He argues that the revenue Atlantic County receives from wind turbines is essentially a “hidden county tax” funded by high electricity bills for consumers rather than useful energy production.
Government Waste: He cites local examples of redundant construction and inefficient “grant-funded” projects where costs are ignored because they do not come directly from local budgets.
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Excerpts of Seth Grossman Saturday Interview with John Demasi (Jan17, 2025):
DEMOCRATS ARE ORGANIZING VIOLENT PROTESTS IN MINNESOTA BECAUSE THEY WORK.
SETH GROSSMAN: Let me answer your question. What is causing these protests? Why are they being done? Well, they’re being done because they work. What is their purpose? If you go back to 1905, you had a guy called Vladimir Lenin. I’m not talking about John Lennon, the Beatle. I’m talking about Vladimir Lenin, the most successful Communist agitator in the world. He was trying to start a Communist Revolution in Russia in 1905. And the technique he used was to stage these protests, or demonstrations to show that the Communist Party represented all the, oppressed working people and peasants of Russia, who were victims, and that the government of the Czar was controlled by the rich and powerful. And Lenin wanted to show that the rich and power were brutal and unfair to poor working people and farmers, so the Communists would stage these demonstrations. Now this was in Russia, in 1905. That was 120 years ago.
VLADIMIR LENIN INSTRUCTED COMMUNISTS TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING IN RUSSIA IN 1905.
Above Image: Vladimir Lenin. In 1905, Lenin took full control of the Communist (Bolshevik) Party. In 1917, Lenin and his Communists overthrew the elected government and took control of Russia. During the next five years, Lenin and his followers killed some 10 to 14 million people in and around Russia through war, starvation and mass executions.
And this is how Lenin and the Communists would stage their demonstrations. They would put women and children in the front, complete with their baby carriages, and they would deliberately walk into areas where they would disrupt traffic or threaten the security of government buildings. That arranged these demonstrations so that the police had to physically block them. The police had to physically stop women with baby carriages from blocking a street or entering a military area. Now at that point, Lenin instructed his hard core radical terrorists to throw rocks or acid into the faces of the police. And when the police tried to defend themselves or go after the terrorists hitting them with rocks or acid, they could not avoid knocking down women and children and babies in their strollers would get knocked over and some would be killed.
COMMUNISTS HAVE BEEN USING THE SAME PLAYBOOK FOR THE PAST 120 YEARS. AND THEIR METHODS STILL WORK!
And of course, the Communists had lots of photographers their and artists to make sketches. And the whole world saw images of brutal police attacking innocent women and children. Now this was back in 1905. And that technique was so successful that, twelve years later, Lenin and the communist party took over Russia in the 1917 Revolution. Communists and Socialists and the Left have been using those identical tactics ever since. In fact, they used to set up what they called Lenin Schools to teach those tactics to Communist organizers all over the world. This is how Communists took over governments in Cuba, China, Vietnam, and Venezuela. That’s how they worked with radical ayatollah’s to take over Iran. What is really amazing is that they haven’t changed their playbook in 120 years. But their plays still work!
So you’ll notice that all of the demonstrators in Minneapolis, they’re all white women, very attractive, sympathetic people. But they all deliberately put themselves in positions where the police have to respond, just like in Russia in 1905. And when the police respond, they eventually find a bad officer, or a careless officer, or an officer having a bad day, or they put the officer in a situation where he has no choice. Eventually, they get the shootings they want. Eventually, they get the brutality they want. And this is very, very effective.
BECAUSE OF THESE CONFRONTATIONS, 53% THINK THE SHOOTING BY ICE WAS NOT JUSTIFIED. 57% DISAPPROVE OF THE METHODS BEING USED BY ICE (IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT).
I just looked at the latest polls. Right now, 57% of the of American voters disapprove of the methods used by ICE, which is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. 53% of voters, thought that the shooting of that woman was NOT justified. So you see how successful these tactics have been. They completely turned public opinion against, the enforcement of federal law. And as you pointed out, there’s no question that the federal agents have the right to do what they are doing. Just look at Article VI of our US Constitution.
Article VI Clearly States that the US Constitution and Federal Immigration Laws are “The Supreme Law of the Land”.
Article VI clearly states that our Federal Constitution, and all laws made in pursuance thereof, which includes Immigration Laws, are “the Supreme Law of the Land”. It also says that every police officer, every judge, every state legislator before taking office has to take an oath to support the Constitution and those federal laws. So, these Democrats keep using the term sanctuary to describe their cities and states, but they are really Confederates. These Democrats are doing exactly what Democrats did n 1860 when Abraham Lincoln was elected President. That is how they started the Civil War in South Carolina.
Saul Alinsky taught these methods in his 1960’s book Rules for Radicals. However, he just described the methods used by Communists since 1905!
But the fact is that Democrats, socialists, and Communists, and Muslim Brotherhoods are all using techniques that Vladimir Lenin perfected in Russia in 1905. These methods have been taught in Communists schools since then. That 1950’s leftist agitator Saul Alinsky did not invent these methods when he wrote his book Rules for Radicals. He was just repeating word for word what Vladimir Lenin said to his followers in 1905, and what Communist schools have been teaching their agitators ever since.
WHAT SURPRISES ME IS THAT OUR SIDE HASN’T LEARNED HOW TO DEAL WITH THESE TACTICS.
So what those Democrats are doing doesn’t surprise me. What does surprise me is how our side, the Republicans, have not learned how to deal with these tactics. So, if the if the Democrats want violent confrontations in the streets of Minneapolis, why would you send more police to give them the confrontations you want? I’m sure that if we would get 20 random people together at a Liberty and Prosperity breakfast and talk about this, these ordinary people would figure out a better response within twenty minutes. They would say things like, “Don’t arrest those people with a big crowd around. Get the license plate number and impound the car and arrest them when they get home and are by themselves. Arrest them at night when there are no cameras around. Isn’t that what the Iranian government did? The first thing the Iranian government did to crush their protestors was to turn off the Internet. They turned off the phones. They turned off the cameras, and they arrested and killed people when nobody was looking. And so they succeeded. So the Communists who invented these methods 120 years ago know exactly how to defeat them.
Now of course, we are a nation that has a Constitution and values and protects life and liberty. I am not saying we should shoot or kill people for doing this. However, we can arrest and prosecute them without giving them the television spectacles they want. Why can’t our side learn how to deal with these dirty tactics that the Left has used for 120 years. That is my frustration.
Imagine what would happen if, they have their demonstration and, you know, the police withdraw, and, and then that night, they arrest everybody. They take everyone’s picture. They find out where they live. They have drones follow them and arrest them then. Think of how easy that would be.
The other thing is the dangerous criminals, I wish the Trump administration would deal with them like this. They should tell these sanctuary state officials: “Here is a list of dangerous illegal aliens you have in your jails. We demand that you turn them over to us. And if they instead release these dangerous criminals into the neighborhoods, like they are doing, your arrest and prosecute those state and local officials.
Our side has to be a little more sophisticated. Right now, we are playing right into the hands of the Left. Again, it’s no accident that all the, people at the front lines of these demonstrations who are confronting the police are white women. They are all photogenic. They are all assigned to be the perfect victims. We can’t just play into that.
Propagandais the most important part of every war today. We won the war in Vietnam, but we lost the propaganda war. We won the war in Iraq. We lost the propaganda war. So, so the Left knows exactly what they’re doing. And unless we change tactics, they are going to win this war and use massive illegal immigration to destroy our country.
JOHN DEMASI: You are so right. By the way, you know, one of the things that came out in this, Renee Goode killing was that the officer who was, hurt, he has internal bleeding. So please tell me that how do you get internal bleeding if the car doesn’t hit you? I I Yeah. There’s I There’s no doubt there was there was contact.
SETH GROSSMAN: The Left doesn’t care who gets killed. They don’t care who gets hurt. They don’t care about the facts. They don’t care whose fault it was. They call this “Identity Politics”. They spend months and months of years of propaganda saying that white males are always toxic and dangerous and evil and that women and blacks and gays and immigrants and Muslims are always good, innocent victims. So, where whenever there’ is any conflict between those groups, followers of the Left will automatically side the group that they call “victims” and hate and blame the side they call “oppressors”. It doesn’t matter what the facts are. These leftists have been brainwashed into believing that if there is any conflict for any reason, it must be the fault of the white toxic male. We don’t care about the evidence. And so they go out of the way to provoke these conflicts. And that’s why our side has to learn that the way to deal with this is don’t give them the televised, video, conflict they want. Look for other ways to achieve the same result but without playing into their hands.
It’s called being smart. It’s like, in the Battle of Gettysburg, General Lee sent his men to charge up directly into the guns. Smart generals like General Grant said “No. Don’t charge straight up the hill. Go around the sides and get them from behind.”
You have to use strategy, and tactics, and patience in these situations, and not just muscle.
Above Image: These Five Wind Turbines Were Installed on Property Owned by the Atlantic County Utilities Authority Near Atlantic City in 2006.
Meanwhile, I’d like to talk about something that came up last week. You had Atlantic County Executive Denny Levinson as your guest. He said he opposed building wind turbines in the ocean. He said that if he had it to do over again, he would have opposed the five wind turbines that been in Atlantic City since 2006.
Then somebody called in and said “Mister Levinson, you said you had your doubts about the wind turbines in Atlantic City. And if you had it to do all over again, you maybe wouldn’t do it.”
And the caller said, well, what why aren’t five wind turbines in Atlantic City a complete success? Why would you ever be against such a complete success?” The caller kept saying, “Don’t you know the county is saving a lot of money because of those five wind turbines in Atlantic City?” and “Look at all the money the county is making from those wind turbines.”
That back-and-forth conversation reminded me of a great book on business management written by a guy called Guy Kawasaki about 25 years ago. It’s called Rule for Revolutionaries. And this Guy Kawasaki, was a “Bar Rescue” kind of guy. He would go into failing businesses and find out why these businesses were failing. And one particular example he gave in his book was a small business with a successful product and a good work team. However, it was losing money going into bankruptcy. And the managers didn’t know what was wrong.
So this Guy Kawasaki found out that the company had this huge, Federal Express, bill. They were paying enormous amounts to send packages and letters by UPS and Federal Express. So Guy Kawasaki took a closer look. He found that 90% of this huge, shipping cost was spent on sending letters and packages from one office of the company to another company office across the street. And he found out that all of these letters and packages could be delivered by just one minimum wage employee going back and forth across the street. This immediately cut almost 90$ of the company’s shipping costs.
So why didn’t the company have someone do that job from the beginning? Kawasaki found that the department of the company that was sending the letters and packages did not want to hire a person to deliver them across the street. That is because the cost of that employee would come out of his department’s budget.
However, if he spent a lot more money sending the letters and packages by Federal Express or UPS, that cost would come out of the budget of a different department, the Shipping and Receiving Department.
So what does that have to do with Denny Levinson and the wind turbines? Well, the fact is the wind turbines don’t produce any useful electricity. The money that the county gets by having those five wind turbines is paid from hidden green energy fees added to everybody’s electric bill. So, basically, when you pay your electric bill, which has some of the highest electric rates in the country, a big chunk of your bill is paying for these subsidies for wind turbines, solar panels and other so-called “green energy.”
So when Denny Levinson said, “Atlantic County is doing great by getting this money from the wind turbines, he is like that manager who made his department look good by bankrupting the company as a whole.
When you are paying your high electric bill, you are paying a hidden county tax. And so these subsidies may make the politicians who run Atlantic County look good by bringing in extra money. However, the taxpayers of Atlantic County are not saving anything. They are paying much more in higher electric bills. However, the counties taxpayers And and so that’s, you know, it it’s good for the county, but it’s bad for the taxpayer and bad for the consumer. So, what difference does it make, if if you’re wasting money, if if instead of writing a check to the county on your property tax bill, you’re paying higher electric bills. So I just want to point that out.
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