Seth Grossman interview with John DeMasi on 95.5FM and 1450AM near Atlantic City, NJ and online at WPGTalkRadio.com.
Most conservatives clearly know what they’re against. However, we also need to agree on what we are for!
SETH GROSSMAN: Liberty and Prosperity is having a very important meeting this morning. Our main agenda item is to agree on what we are for. What specific issues we agree on.
This ties into what you were saying about President Trump. We all want to make America great again. We all know what we don’t like what has happened to America lately. But what are we for? It’s easy to say “I don’t like this.” or “I don’t like that.” Or “I don’t like what this person just said or did.”
But what are we for? That is why each year, we at Liberty and Prosperity, after about two or three months of talking things over, we make a list of the dozen or so issues we agree on. We vote on what they are.
And that ties into what you just said about President Trump. The reality is that roughly two-thirds of Americans, for a whole lot of different reasons, do not like President Trump right now. And it doesn’t make sense for a local group like Liberty and Prosperity to talk about what Trump should or should not do. Trump has a certain personality. He is going to say and do whatever he wants to say and do, when and how he pleases.
So, if two thirds of Americans don’t like what Trump is doing, the best we can do is say, “If you don’t like Trump, or don’t like what he is doing or saying, that doesn’t mean you have to vote against every single Republican.” You can be against Trump and still vote for Republicans and still vote for conservatives who are saying and doing what you support.
I think, the big problem that Jack Ciattarelli had was not clearly and specifically telling voters what he would do different from what Democrats like Phil Murphy was doing and what Mikie Sherrill said she was going to do.
I think most voters in New Jersey said, “I don’t like Trump. Trump is a Republican. Jack Ciattarelli is a Republican just like Trump. So I’m going to vote against Ciattarelli.”
That is why having our group get together this morning to decide the 10 or 12 most important issues that we agree on is very important. I don’t have enough time to discuss all of them on this program. But they are posted on our Liberty and Prosperity dot com website, and I invite you to look t them. I also invite you to subscribe for our free weekly email updates so we can share this information.
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So, I will just give you some of the highlights.
#1. Enforce our immigration laws and continue mass deportations.
We must keep doing that no matter how horrible it looks on TV when they do a story on an isolated hardship case where an officer makes a mistake, or a good person is arrested on a technicality. You cannot have a country that is safe and prosperous with 20 to 30 million foreigners in this country illegally. It causes a whole lot of problems. And one of those problems is that it sends a signal to all of the other 8 billion people who live in the rest of the world. At least 2 billion of them are living in poverty, and would be much better off if they live here in America.
But they can’t all live here without destroying the way of life we have in this country. But millions of them will try to come to this country illegally if they get the idea that once they somehow manage to sneak into this country, they will never, never, never be removed.
So, we’ve got to enforce our immigration laws. That means we need to keep deporting illegal aliens who are already here.
#2. Bring back election integrity.
Early voting and voting by mail are horrible. We’ve got to et back to one in-person Election Day. For years, New Jersey had a law that said “No electioneering within 100 feet of the polls.” Do you remember that law?”
JOHN DEMASI: Yes. I do.
SETH GROSSMAN: There are reasons for that law. It is easy to intimidate or unduly influence people when they are coming out to vote. It is easy to bribe them. Well how do you stop that stuff if you turn every kitchen table into a polling place? And we need people to show their ID’s so we know they are qualified and so they don’t vote more than once. How can we say you need an ID to cash a check, get on an airplane, get a prescription filled, see a doctor, and so on, but you don’t need an ID to vote? So we want to do these things to bring back election integrity.
#3. Teach the importance of our Constitution and why every American must take it seriously again.
And how can we take the Constitution taken seriously if most voters never even read the Constitution. It was written so an 8th grader could read and understand it. We were very, very frustrated in the past when we had major issues that directly dealt with the Constitution. There was whether the federal government had the power to make sports betting illegal in every state but Nevada. There was the issue of whether the federal government had the power to buy, sell, or possess marijuana.
These were two issues where any eighth grader reading the constitution would know exactly how to decide those cases. They would give the same opinions as the justices of the Supreme Court. But the specific parts of the Constitution, Article I Section 8, and the 9th and 10th Amendments were never talked about by any elected official. They were never mentioned in the media.
#4. Apply all laws equally to everybody. Equal justice under the law. That includes how we collect and distributed the state income tax. What is happening in Atlantic City and Ocean City right now are classic examples.
Many towns have very bad mayors, very bad council members, and very bad school members who waste a lot of money cause a lot of problems. They give high paying jobs, raises, and contracts to friends who waste a lot of money and don’t do their jobs. They punish good people they don’t like who can do a better job. And yet these bad officials keep getting elected and re-elected over and over again. That is because even though there is lots of waste, fraud, and incompetence, they keep taxes down. They can do this because they make sweetheart deals with the Governor. They get votes for the Governor and they say nice things about the Governor. In return, the Governor takes money from well-run suburban towns and gives it to corrupt Democrat towns. This is how corrupt Democrats who run these towns keep getting elected.
Meanwhile, you have lots of very good mayors, very good council members, very good township committee members, and school board members. They’re getting voted out of office for raising taxes even though they’re honest, they’re efficient, and they’re doing the best that anyone could possibly do. But because the government takes money away from them and gives it to the corrupt, mismanaged cities, good officials get blamed for high taxes, and they get voted out of office.
We saw that this week in Atlantic City. Say what you want about its mayor Marty Small. But for the past few years, Marty Small cut the city’s expenses, paid down its debt and he ran the city very efficiently. Yet last week, the state forced him to raise taxes anyway. It took away state aid it had promised to the city because he cut expenses enough to cut taxes.
And the state took money from Atlantic City because it did a good job in running its government, and the state is giving that money to a poorly run city instead.
You see this in Ocean City. Its mayor, Jay Gillian is running for reelection. He’s bragging that he should get re-elected because he got new sand for the beaches after a storm washed it away. Of course, Ocean City taxes didn’t pay for that. Gillian got the money because he made a deal to get money from the federal government. And he also made a deal with Chris Christie, the previous Republican Governor to get state money.
There’s a term for what you have when politicians cannot succeed unless they make corrupt deals, and where honest politicians fail. That term is systemic corruption or systematic corruption.
This is what you get when laws do not apply equally to everybody.
This started fifty years ago when New Jersey got its first state income tax. That was when Democrat Brendan Byrne was Governor and Steve Perskie was our State Senator. At that time, everyone was complaining that real estate taxes were too high. And they were. But instead of saying, we are paying way too much money for our schools, and police, fire, trash collection and paving streets, people said, lets have more taxes, and lets find away to make other people pay them.
And so we voted for people who gave us a new state income tax. I remember State Senator Steve Perskie making speeches all over the county. He said this new state income tax is going to cut your property taxes. He said every dollar we pay in state income tax is going to go into a “Property Tax Relief Fund.
Everybody thought that fund would be distributed equally to every taxpayer in every town. But it never worked out that way. As soon as they started collecting the new state income tax, they started giving about 80% of the money to just 20% of the towns. And’ it’s gotten worse ever since.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of our state income tax money is going to just 10% to 15% of our towns, mostly in towns run by Democrats. So if you want to save New Jersey, this had to come to an end.
JOHN DEMASI: Boy, when you lay it out that way, oh, man. It’s terrible. You know? It really is.
SETH GROSSMAN: But even though this is causing most of the corruption, waste, and incompetence, this is one issue that hardly anyone talks about. We have to put the focus, on the things that matter. We can’t afford to complain for hours and hours things we don’t like, and politicians we don’t like, but we hardly ever talk about why these bad things happen, and what we can do to stop them. Instead, most people talk about this stuff today, and forget about it tomorrow.
So that’s that’s what we’re doing this morning at our breakfast meeting.
Help us distribute Seth Grossman’s book: 1676 Project, How New Jersey Shaped America

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SETH GROSSMAN: My book, 1676 Project, How New Jersey Shaped America is another important topic. I is almost a basic college education in one book. I’m really getting a very good reaction from the people who have read it. If you have not read it yet and you don’t want to pay the $20, just go to any branch of the Atlantic County Library or the Cape May County Library Systems and they have it.
The book has big print, small chapters, lots of pictures and is easy to read. People are telling me their kids are picking it up and reading it. So if you want your kids or grandkids to read it, buy one and put it on your coffee table, or stick it near the powder room b your kitchen or living room and it will get read.
It won’t tell you everything you need to know, but it’ll tell you most of what you need to know. I will explain how you can use that book to reach your children and grandchildren, this Monday, May 11, at 6:30 PM at the New Life Assembly Church in Egg Harbor Township.
They’re having a special program called Your Child Your Voice: How to Protect Your Kids from Our Public Schools. I invite everyone to be there.
I’m also very proud of our county executive, Dennis Levinson. He not only put the book in the Atlantic County Library System. He also invited me to talk about my book as some of his campaign events. I’ll be selling the book there.
I’d also like to thank former Assemblywoman Claire Swift of Margate. She invited me to sell the book at the next meeting of the Margate Republican Club. It will be next Tuesday, May 12 at 6PM, at Maynard’s in Margate.
So, I’m just urging all of your listeners if there’s any opportunity that that you know of where I can talk about the book and sell that book, please let me know. That is now my main my mission in life. I feel like I’m a Jehovah Witness going around door to door, handing out my book.
If you live in Ocean County, Cape May County, Cumberland County, contact me. I bring my book there and tell anyone who wants to listen why the material in that book is so important and why you should read it.
Stockton University went from “woke” to “broke.” Make it affordable for working men and women again–like in 1971!

SETH GROSSMAN: My final topic this morning is Stockton University. It has now gone from woke to broke.
A couple of weeks ago, we talked about how Stockton University paid a lot of money to the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center to promote its far- left agenda based on fake hate crimes that it paid for.
I have a 25-year history of, working with Stockton. During the 1990’s, I did a radio program on their college radio station. They call it WLFR, Lake Fred Radio. At that time, Stockton was a, good working-class school that gave students a solid education. The tuition was about $500 or $600 a year when it first opened. It took its first students in 1971.
For the first five to ten years, it would cost about $600 to $700 for room, board, books and tuition. And if you lived nearby and commuted, it was less.
At that time, students were making, around $1,200 to $1,400 in a summer, working just two or three months on the Boardwalk. So Stockton students didn’t need scholarships. They didn’t need student loans. It was a good, solid school that gave a good, quality education.
But after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, I knew we had a big problem at Stockton. I was invited to be on a panel to lead a discussion on what caused those deadly attacks, and what we could do to stop them. I was one of about ten panelists. And all of those panelists except me said that those terrorist attacks were America’s fault. They said America had it coming. I was the only one on the panel that said “No.” It was not our fault. I said we were attacked by radical Muslim terrorists and that we had to fight them.
From that point on, I was not welcome at Stockton. I said, no. It wasn’t America’s fault. We were attacked by, you know, radical Islam, and I just told it the way it was. And ever since that moment, I was no longer welcome at Stockton. In fact, in 2012, the students of the Democratic Club of Stockton University invited me to participate in a panel discussion on one of the Presidential elections, probably 2012. When the administration found out, it ordered the students to withdraw their invitation and tell me I could not speak to them. When I said I planned to come anyway, the college cancelled the whole event. They even took all the free food off the buffet table. This was, October 2012. So that’s what Stockton has been doing.
Since then, Stockton has been woke. It has basically been teaching its students how to get hired by some government agency or by some non-profit corporation, or to be a community organizer like Obama. That is what most of the woke faculty at Stockton as been doing for the past twenty years.
And to get the money to do that, Stockton let itself become the cash cow for every politician in New Jersey. It started with Stockton bailing out political insiders from their bad real estate deals. Stockton bought the Ponder Lodge in Cape May. It bought the Seaview, Golf and Country Club in Galloway. It paid top dollar for these losing investments. That cost a lot of money.
Then they did this building boom on their Galloway Township campus. They gave big contracts to all these politically connected lawyers, and engineers and construction companies. They gave lots of jobs to all the building trades unions. Stockton built big Taj Mahal buildings all over its Galloway campus.
Their student center looks like some luxury ski lodge complete with a big gas fireplace. I remember talking about $600,000 they spent on trees. You have trees all over Galloway Township. But for just one of their buildings, they spent $600,000 to truck in fully grown trees from Cumberland County. You know how Stockton makes a big deal about saving the environment. God forbid they could have their students plant trees around the new buildings for nothing.
And then when you thought Stockton couldn’t possibly waste any more money in Galloway Township, Stockton went completely nuts and build a whole new campus in Atlantic City. They bought the closed Showboat Casino Hotel. Then they walked away from that and built a whole new campus around the mosque by where the old Atlantic City High School used to be on Albany Avenue.
I remember, when I was running for State Senate in 2021, I pointed out that Stockton was building new student dormitories at a cost of $440,000 per unit.
The bottom line is now Stockton University is now $572 million in debt. That’s more than a half billion dollars. It’s $346 million in Wall Street bonds, $4,000,000 on long term leases for all the garbage stuff they rented all over South Jersey. They have an item for some sort of unfunded future compensation they promised for $222 million.
That means they promised to make all of these future payments to employees after they retire, but none of that money is set aside. None of this is sustainable. It has to come to an end.
I think Republicans need to pay attention to this issue if they want to be stay relevant as a major political party. They should be saying “Let’s turn Stockton University back into an affordable college for working men and women like it was in 1971.
This can be done. Stockton can sell all of those beachfront building in Atlantic City it never should have built in the first place. It should fire all the overpaid professors and administrators who created this disaster.
But Stockton isn’t doing any of that right now. Instead, Stockton is offering big cash bonuses on top of big pensions to get these highly paid professors and administrators to retire early.
We need to say “No!” Stockton University today is exactly where Atlantic City was in 2016. And for Atlantic City, Republicans and Democrats got together to pass what they called the Municipal Stabilization Act. they cut employees, they cut salaries, they cut all expenses and put together a plan to get Atlantic City out of debt. We’ve got to do the same thing with Stockton.
I think we should actually go further, and make Stockton the model of an affordable college. If they wanted to, they could get rid of the sports programs, and other frills and bring tuition down to $5,000 to $6,000 per year.
If they did that, Stockton students would not need scholarships or student loans. They could again work summers to pay for college…
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